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MrsH
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Phev v hev

Post by MrsH » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:41 pm

Hi, I looking to replace my ancient and costly VW Toureg, I am drawn to the Kia for their relative cheap to fix costs and 7 year warranty. I have test driven a Niro hev and although not the most dynamic of drives, it does tick lots of boxes for me. I then wondered if the phev would be better as the majority of my trips are short, however, I dont have anywhere at the moment to charge it, so would have to have that installed. Does the hev deliver on mpg? is it cost effective?

Thoughts most welcome


tonybkent
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by tonybkent » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:18 pm

I've recently managed 3402 miles on one tank in my PHEV and had 180-190 left in the tank. I rarely need to travel beyond the 33-36 mile real world range. When I do 160 mile journeys like last week I can get 95 MPG and I think the 10-15% battery left when the remaining battery-only range is zero (and HEV mode kicks in) is used very effectively.

I can't speak for the HEV though. I thoroughly recommend the PHEV if you can get the charger installed at home or can charge at work.


MrsH
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by MrsH » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:12 pm

Could I charge the phev using a domestic extension cable does anyone know?


radar2018
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by radar2018 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:02 pm

You can charge like you say from a 13 amp plug which is supplied with the car, although it is recommended as an emergency, there is at least one poster on this forum who uses nothing else. It does take longer to charge than a fixed charger
If you can use a 13 amp cable why could you not get a fixed charger?


tonybkent
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by tonybkent » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:29 pm

I've heard of many people with various different EV only using a 13 amp "granny charger". I used it a couple of times before my charger was installed but the electrics in my house weren't up to it and the socket got very hot so I stopped using it immediately.

I'd be wary of using the granny charger with an extension cable. Definitely get one that's rated for high power if you really must use one, and even then watch it carefully so you are confident it's safe.

I'd recommend just getting a proper charger. It'll be twice as fast and perfectly safe / reliable.


jerrytaff
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by jerrytaff » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:19 pm

ive been using the granny charger for 8 months now (60 year old wiring) with no issues.
getitng back to the original question. PHEV V HEV.....
If you are only doing short journeys then with the PHEV you will only use petrol to run the heater, or to augment the electric motor if you want the extra performance of sport mode.
If you are doing long motorway journeys at 70mph then you will get better fuel economy from the HEV - perhaps 73mpg whereas the HEV will do about 18 miles on electric and thereafter achieve around 63mpg in my experience.

The PHEV is the greener option....you can avoid polluting urban areas - reserving that for the open road. From my experience, it seems to have a bit more performance as well. Others might disagree.

However, if buying as a private buyer from new, you will be hard pressed to recoup the extra cost over the lifetime of the car, even if charging from solar panels. I think the situation will be different if leasing or buying on PHP. The PHEV makes economic sense if you are getting it as a company car and/or entering the London Congestion Charge zone on a regular basis thanks to government incentives to go green.
2018 PHEV 3 in Gravity Blue :D
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jerrytaff
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by jerrytaff » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:24 pm

forgot to mention...HEV has room in the boot for a full size spare wheel. PHEV cannot even accommodate a space saver. That (or other uses for the extra boot space might be the deciding factor in your decision.

also PHEV and HEV have different paint options. The blue for the HEV is more appealing to me than that for the PHEV which is almost black.
2018 PHEV 3 in Gravity Blue :D
Previous DS (formerly Citroen) DS5 Prestige BlueHDi S/S Auto 2.0, Jaguar X type 2.0 S Diesel


ron in new mexico
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by ron in new mexico » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:28 pm

I here in the states, charge on the 120 normal use outlet, having one in my carport. Takes quite a while so there is that. 7 hours for a complete charge.
The absolutely lowest MPG in the states is 58, on a two hundred mile trip into the mountains, a lot on dirt roads, to camp. My average trip to the city is about 40 plus miles, sometimes things with kids, up to 120 or so, And I average way above the range and mileage, 26 here maximum,. I live in mountains, so perhaps that has a to do with it. Typically 40 miles or so round trip it is almost all electric. Comes out to 70 or more MPG usually. Usually much more.
But the heater in the cold makes the gas engine come on, so that will decrease mileage somewhat. I expect all considered, I am getting around 90 MPG, when here it is stated to be between 49-52 by the EPA. I hardly ever drive less than the 26 by the gauges we are allowed for all electric. But the drive into town ten miles or so, as it is downhill, I will only use about . Uphill on the way back, I use more than seven miles of electric though that is the distance traveled , If I have that left.
More like nine of ten, I would guess.
I think the UK has different standards for their MPG and such measurements however.
With our tax breaks I can't see why a hybrid as opposed to plug in makes sense. Out here of course there are few public charging stations, so a EV is impossible.


ron in new mexico
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by ron in new mexico » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:31 pm

Three electric miles used on the downhill to town, though it is seven actual miles transversed.(sorry sticking key).


ron in new mexico
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Re: Phev v hev

Post by ron in new mexico » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:45 pm

Ten miles(geese louise).
I will not reset the mileage indicator for a whole days travel. It seems to reset upon a new charge hookup at the end of the day. But I think you can manually reset it, if you want for each trip or part of a trip. The overall mileage indicator I have not reset it since I bought it. It varies but typically is around 90MPG with 7000 or so miles. 49-52 I think it is here as per the EPA, on the buyer sticker. I would not get wider snow tires on a PHEV, as the wider tires on some HEV models, able to be fitted to the PHEV, would loose something like 3 MPG I think it is. I do drive economically. I got 36 in my Subaru crosstrek hybrid, rated for 28, I think it was. Still this mileage is off the charts.One fill up per month as opposed to three, and electric is up only about 15 USD per month. So I save probably about 60 USD per month.


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